Read the story. So many Muslims from traditionally-Muslim countries seem to be cruel by nature. Not all, of course, but many more by proportion as compared to European Christians (and other Europeans).
Look at that photo: it is as if he knows that these humans are there to save him.
Britain 2023. Woman smashes bottle over another woman’s head in an unprovoked attack, then attacks yet another woman. Did not know either victim. Result? Suspended sentence. Britain is becoming a disordered jungle.
Refers in part to a book, an anti-white diatribe called White Women.
Incidentally, I took the trouble to look up the book in question. It was published a couple of months ago, and presently ranks at about 19,000 in the Amazon bestsellers list. Using the Amazon Book Sales Calculator, that implies sales of only about 200 books worldwide per month. Not very many, but I bet that the “wokes” and the “you-know-whos” (((you know whos))) are getting it into the libraries of schools, colleges, and universities, mainly in the USA. More drip-drip anti-white poison.
The word the tweeter seeks is “slavery” or, perhaps, “serfdom“.
Brainwashed by the msm? Or (and/or) can they not see what might be the ultimate consequence?
Most horse racing in England does not involve cruelty these days. There have been many advances in the care and welfare of horses over the years, though minor improvements are still necessary. Rather disturbing that so many seem to think that such a traditional part of British and especially English life should be banned.
Part-Jew nasty little blot, George Osborne, talking about how great is HS2, and how good things such as the motorway system have been. There is a contrary view.
I myself remember, when aged about 21 (1976-77), the sections of the M25 in Surrey still largely unbuilt; at that time, I lived near the top of Reigate Hill, very easy walking distance from what is now the roundabout/interchange at Junction 8 of the M25. The M25 running east from there was nearly finished, but the bit running west was still being constructed.
Indeed, as a child (early/mid 1960s), I recall an England almost entirely devoid of motorway. In many respects it was better that way, though I concede that that may be regarded as a “Little Englander” or even “Luddite”, point of view.
When the motorway system was put in place, driving long distances became much easier. However, a certain character was lost, and that loss continued and deepened in the 1990s and up to the present day, made worse by the cancerous growths of new housing projects (“boxes for people”, if you like). I suppose that anyone under 40 —or even 50— would struggle to understand, though.
[re. the “alleged” “grifter”/”fraud”, “Jack Monroe”].
It makes me laugh how so many of the ill-informed and ignorant on Twitter believe that an action in defamation can be launched easily and with almost-guaranteed success. Few understand even the basics of defamation, or of the economics of litigation.
Would the British people not have been much better off without corrupt Kurdish carpetbagger Nadhim Zahawi? Some tweeters live their lives without logic.
…and, actually, “carry on” doing what, exactly? Ripping people off, while cobbling together occasional recipes for appalling food?
Ukraine— stray thoughts
Let us take the probably-mistaken idea that “Ukraine is winning” to the max, to the reductio ad absurdum. Let us suppose that the forces of the Kiev regime expel Russian forces from all of pre-2014 Ukrainian territory, including Crimea. What then? Does Russia, or Putin, just accept that? Is that the end? I think not.
Ukrainian forces cannot cross the borders of Russia, even marginally, without provoking not only a response from the Russian Government but also from the Russian people, who would then be “triggered”, as people now say, to defend “Holy Russia”, their native land or “rodina“.
For the first time since the incursion/invasion of 2022, the Russian Government would then enjoy almost-unqualified public support in fighting the invading forces of the Kiev regime.
It is unlikely, though, that the Kiev-regime forces can in fact expel Russian forces from Ukrainian or former Ukrainian territory. Russia has a far greater population, a functioning economy, vast economic resources, and a nuclear backstop.
The logic seems to be that either Russia prevails in the present conflict, or that it is pushed out, only to then return with far greater numbers and might within a year or two.
In the end, Russia will annex Ukraine east of the Dnieper, whatever happens in the meantime. Unless a major East-West hot war starts first.
[regular readers of the blog will be aware that I often repost tweets by @EternalEnglish, who however has now had his Twitter “account” “suspended” (probably removed permanently). It happened to me in 2018, and of course has now happened to most of the interesting Twitter “accounts” formerly online, such as those of David Icke, the London Forum, Katie Hopkins, Patriotic Alternative, Alison Chabloz etc. So much for the “free society”].
…and what on Earth will it accomplish to stand in the street with a placard? Ha ha…
Why? Because the Jew-Zionist element always tries to destroy freedom of expression, particularly for non-Jews. Wake up.
Jesus H. Christ!
Still, if we had any real social-national party or movement, an economic shock like that might be a gamechanger politically, just as the 1929 Wall Street Crash and the consequent/subsequent Great Depression was for Hitler and the NSDAP.
The NHS 111 service is near-to-useless.
I favour a free-at-point-of-use NHS service, but only for British people, not for “health tourists” and all manner of riff-raff. How such a service can be funded is an open question. How such a service can be staffed is another question. The aim should be for the UK to train its own doctors and nurses, for one thing, and they should be forced to work in the NHS, and not allowed to emigrate to the white Commonwealth or elsewhere, for several years (in the case of doctors, perhaps 10 years).
Back in the 1970s, even 1980s, despite many Press stories about deficiencies, the NHS did work, most of the time. Now, mass immigration and NHS maladministration has ruined it.
Management, or rather mismanagement, is one of the really major problems with the NHS.
I see that the propaganda campaign is being readied to pretend to the public that they, the public, are to blame for the NHS not working properly, because they, the public, are actually requesting the services that the NHS is supposed to provide.
This winter, the NHS will not easily be able to blame the 2020-2022 “Covid” “panicdemic” for its inability to run itself properly, and it has been 3 or 4 years since other illnesses or conditions (eg “flu”) were blamed (almost every winter for many years).
If and when the UK has a real government, it must tackle the healthcare mess and the associated adult social care mess as a priority.
One idea might be to use a “dedicated” or “ring-fenced” tax only for the NHS. “National Insurance”, which is merely another tax on top of income tax, is paid into general government funds. If it, or a large part of it, were only usable for health services, the taxpayers would accept it far more readily, especially under a suitable name such as the unoriginal but easily-understood “Health Services Tax”. It is claimed that that would be less efficient; I think not.
Another point: blaming the consumer, or worker, or citizen, now seems to be “a thing” in the UK.
NHS not working right? It’s because Joe Public actually has a medical problem and wants it dealt with. Water shortage? It’s the fault of the public, because they actually want to have a bath or shower, and to water their plants. People cannot live on peanuts? It’s their fault, for being unable to “budget”, or cook, or enjoy “fasting” (going without food— yes, the Daily Telegraph suggested even that recently).
Late tweets seen
Yet more censorship on the Twitter forum. A Chinese level of “control” is being exercised.
Interesting report on the situation in respect of the main ice sheets, namely the East Antarctic, West Antarctic, and Greenland.
It seems that, were they to melt completely, the global sea level would rise by 7 metres Greenland Ice Sheet), 5 metres (West Antarctic Ice Sheet) and East Atlantic Ice Sheet (52 metres). A total of 64 metres, or in my preferred metric, about 210 feet.
A sea-level rise of 210 feet would be truly apocalyptic, even though it would probably take place over several hundred years.
The UK has an average height above sea-level of about 531 feet, but within that is a peak of 4,413 feet (Ben Nevis) down to towns and cities at, or close to, sea-level.
On a less apocalyptic level, if the Greenland Ice Sheet were to melt entirely, which might (or might not) happen by 2100, that would result in the seas rising by up to 24 feet, in itself enough to drown a large number of major cities around the world.
I once lived at Little Venice, London, which I believe is about 60 feet above sea level. Much of Central London as well as the Thames-side areas would be flooded by a 24-foot rise.
My problem with many of the predictions is that they are made with an agenda, to make people believe that some kind of “zero-emissions” strategy, even if carried out only in Europe, or even only in the UK (the UK being responsible for only 1% of global emissions) would halt the melting of the ice of the poles. I doubt it.
The world is in a state of constant change, sometimes gradual, sometimes catastrophic. Humanity lives on the surface of events which it can do little to alter.
The Mail goes on to describe the Jew dictator Zelensky as “a comic who becomes a good leader“. “Good leader“?! Ha ha!
More seriously, once you start lying about such basic things as what actual sex people are, truth, which is the foundation for any decent society, starts to ebb away; with it, that foundation also ebbs away, until nothing works properly, and nothing can be relied upon. Britain is already some way down that path.
USD $1.5M between 8 litigants. Even after costs, they will surely end up with over $100,000 each. Not bad for being notionally “offended” by an order that was rescinded an hour later. More “diversity” madness.
The Wikipedia entry mentions that Ellwood was born in New York City, and was also at school at Bonn and Vienna before attending Loughborough University (course unknown to me), the Cass Business School at City University in London, then Sandhurst.
Ellwood’s parents’ work is not mentioned in Wikipedia, but we can probably assume that it was diplomatic, or linked to diplomacy. Both Bonn and Vienna were, at the time, capital cities, and there is a British Consulate-General in New York City.
It seems that all that expensive education has been wasted on Ellwood. Does he really not see that conflict with Russia might lead to war with Russia?
I suppose that Russian forces would not waste a nuclear missile on Ellwood’s decaying Bournemouth constituency (he himself lives in a wealthy semi-rural enclave called Holdenhurst), but in the event of war, Russian missiles would more or less raze much of England to the ground. Goodbye to the Palace of Westminster, and almost everything else, in that event.
Attacks on Russian aviation in Crimea, in Belarus etc. The war may be about to enter a new phase, should the Russian forces be ordered to retaliate.
The Zelensky regime is trying to create provocations, because it knows that the only way it can avoid defeat in this war is to bring in NATO (NWO) forces on the Ukrainian side. Already, the arms shipments from the USA and UK have reached colossal proportions, and, bearing in mind that the arms, ammunition, and training are all being supplied free of charge, represent something that is not only a proxy war against Russia but also not far from being an actual or direct war against Russia.
So far, the NATO/NWO backers of the Jewish regime in Kiev have not attempted, at least publicly, to rein in the behaviour of Zelensky and his clan.
This is madness. The UK and other states have already weakened their economies and societies by the pursuit of the “Covid” “panicdemic”, shutting their economies down for months and years. Now those same societies are facing gas shortages and a huge rise in price of oil and gas.
The UK, after nominal Brexit, should have opened up friendly relations with Russia on a broad front, including supply by Russia to the UK of cheap or even cost-price gas and oil.
The fact is that those presently ruling the UK prefer to conspire with their fellow NWO operatives, implementing the strategic assault on Russia, and such other parts of the NWO/ZOG agenda such as the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan, rather than putting the needs of the British people first.
“A man has admitted feeding poisoned tuna to his neighbours’ cats in the first case of animal cruelty to be referred to a crown court.
Tristian Paul Pearson, 44, left out tubs containing fish tuna and a high concentration of ethylene glycol.
The substance is highly poisonous to felines and is contrary to the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
Two cats living nearby – Luna and Bailey – later had to be put down after eating the tuna and falling sick.
Pearson, of Bargoed, Wales, pleaded guilty to an Animal Welfare Act offence and was handed an eight month suspended prison sentence.
It was the first case of its kind to be referred to a crown court.”
What on Earth is the point in giving the courts a higher possible maximum level of punishment if the sentencing judge refuses, in effect, to sentence harshly enough in a plainly serious and premeditated case of cruelty such as this one?
In reality, not theory, 8 months but suspended, handed down in the Crown Court, is less of a punishment than the previous maximum of 6 months (3 months actual imprisonment) that a magistrates’ court might have imposed.
Absolutely pathetic sentence.
Tristian (?) Paul Pearson, of West Street, Bargoed, Wales. Evil bastard.
I happened to see a case which illustrates the backlog in the “justice system”, a backlog caused almost entirely by the “panicdemic”.
A policeman in Hampshire has just pleaded not guilty to a sex crime allegedly committed in January this year. His case has been set down for trial at Isleworth Crown Court on 4 December 2023, nearly 2 years after the offence is said to have been committed and 16 months after committal proceedings.
Once again, much of society runs scared from a condition which is taken care of in almost all cases by a couple of paracetomol tablets and a few days’ rest. Pathetic.
We tend to think (or used to think) that it was very odd that people, only a few hundred years ago, in the 15th and 16th centuries, were hounded and even executed for speaking in favour of a particular theory of cosmology or theology.
We in the West also thought, during the Soviet period, how odd that people in the Soviet Union or its satellites could be imprisoned, or even executed, for not going along with the “reality” imposed by a half-crazy regime.
Well, look now: many European countries imposing quasi-mediaeval laws against “holocaust” “denial” (free historical research and publication) at the instigation of the Jew/Israel lobby, while “Black Lives Matter”, “trans” activist loonies and others try to restrict freedom of expression in the USA, UK and elsewhere. Behind it, or most of it, “them”. (((Them))).
We know what has to be done, but are “not allowed” to express it openly.
Most of those girls would not have been exploited had they and society more reasoned “racism” and “discrimination”. Fact. As it was, though, they were bombarded from a young age by “anti-racist” propaganda. Behind much of it, at the strategic level? Yes, “them” (((again))).
It is still happening.
We must purge several milieux in the UK, starting with almost everyone and everything in the msm, both print and broadcast media. Not just journalist-liars and “commentators” all singing from the same basic hymn-sheet, but most comedians, many scribblers etc. Take away their rice-bowls. Close down the BBC and other TV stations. Eliminate the corrupters.
Looking at the Conservative Party leadership contest, I saw part of an interview with Suella Braverman. Unimpressive. Her knowledge-level is inadequate for the role she wishes to play. Indeed, many have said that she should even never have been appointed Attorney-General (and, with that, granted automatic letters-patent as Queen’s Counsel).
There was a time when any barrister who became an MP could apply to become QC, and be granted it on the nod, which is how otherwise unlikely barristers such as John Mortimer (the Rumpole writer) got the rank. Now no longer so.
Ironic in a way, that it is now more difficult for barristers who are MPs to apply for letters-patent to become “QC” when, for all other barristers, it has never been easier. About 10% of all practising barristers are now “QC”. Devalued, like most other ranks, titles, and honours these days.
Husband is one “Rael Braverman”. Jewish? She herself, though, identifies religiously with Buddhism, not with Judaism or her original Hinduism (mother was a Hindu, father may have been Roman Catholic, having originated in Goa).
Suella Braverman, though, must have been born under a lucky star in that, from being a run-of-the-mill barrister, she is now, only 7 years later, at age 42, in the running (in theory) to be leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister.
Drove over a cat, failed to stop, later claimed not to have known. Also showed his lack of empathy by “offering to buy a replacement animal“. What? “A replacement“?! You cannot “replace” a dear animal friend.
“The Hawas family, owners of the cat, did not want to speak in detail about the cat’s death, but a family member told the Daily Mail: “We just want to mourn our cat. We want nothing to do with Tobias Ellwood.” [Guardian].
One aspect of that report made me laugh, albeit bitterly, at the cretinous mindset of a possibly typical Conservative Party voter: “Julie Holland, 61, who lives opposite the former vicarage owned by Stephanie Hawa, also 61, was also not sympathetic to the MP. Holland, who owns a cat called Boris, named after the prime minister, and a dog called Stanley, after Johnson’s father, said: ‘It’s a disgrace. If he had done that to my cat I would have done something about it. But, she added: “I’m still a supporter.”” [Guardian].
“Results of latest Tory leadership knockout at 5PM: Blow for Rishi as bombshell poll finds frontrunner would LOSE to Liz Truss OR Penny Mordaunt in head-to-head ballot of party members – as MPs finish voting to decide who will stay in contest.” [Daily Mail].
Well, guess what? Most rank-and-file Conservative Party members would actually quite like to be led by someone who is English (i.e. white). What a surprise. They do not want a party leader or Prime Minister who is Indian, Pakistani, or African.
I wonder who these “activists” etc are? Probably “them” (((them))).
I have still not seen GB News. I doubt that I ever shall, or will ever regret not having seen it.
How? Mainly because there are groups or cabals working to destroy any vestige of national feeling in the young and very young. They have infiltrated the schools via the (often poor-quality) teaching staff.
Roma gypsies, hordes of them…
The Conservative party leadership contest is a classic example of a rigged “false choice” election. Not one candidate who is really social-national (even slightly), and most candidates Jew or non-white.
A Jewish careerist called Mark Damazer got rid of the Radio 4 UK theme in 2006, supposedly because he wanted to put a “pacy news briefing” in its place. I myself suspect that the theme was just too traditionally British for him…
Quite right. That Maguire idiot is a typical System-Labour drone. No ideas about how to improve society, no proper analysis of current events, just kneejerk tribal Labourism and politically-correct infantilism, while coining as much money as possible from scribbling and being a TV talking head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Maguire_(journalist). Oh, and of course he tends to play the “gritty and disillusioned Northerner” on Sky News newspaper reviews etc, while actually living rather comfortably in affluent Richmond, South West London (when not at his holiday home) with his (privately-educated) journalist/novelist wife: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Burstall.
The “gutless, dishonest politicians” (“Conservatives”, in power since 2010) to whom Farage himself gave, in 2019, a large Commons majority (by shooting his own Brexit Party supporters and candidates in the head at the General Election).
I return again to the question of the prospects of the Labour Party now that its leadership is totally controlled (once more) by the Jew-Zionist element.
The most recent opinion polling:
I recently examined the North Shropshire by-election in this regard, inter alia. This is what I wrote on the blog:
“Since North Shropshire was re-dedicated in 1983, and until the by-election, Labour has failed to come in second only four times, and only once (2010) since 1992.
It is all very well to talk about tactical voting, or Labour supporters “lending their votes” to the LibDem in order to beat the Con candidate. Yes; no argument on that, but is that the whole story? The 9.7% scored in the by-election was the lowest Labour vote ever in North Shropshire. Even in 1983, at the height of Thatcherism, and when Labour suffered its crushing national defeat under Michael Foot [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_Kingdom_general_election], it still scored 14.7% (third place) in North Shropshire.
The conclusion must be that, while many formerly Labour votes went tactically (or otherwise) to the LibDem, many Labour voters just voted with their feet, if such be the bon mot, and stayed home. Labour scored 22.1% in 2019, and 31.1% in 2017 (both under Corbyn) in the constituency.
If this by-election result is bad for Boris-idiot, it is arguably at least as great a blow for Labour’s Jewish-lobby leadership under Keir Starmer. The problem is not just the “Israel first” aspect of Labour’s present leadership, but also the way in which the supposed “Opposition” keeps propping up “Boris” over various matters, such as the Online Harms Bill and, of more immediate political importance, the Covid/Omicron “panicdemic” “rules” and “laws”.
Starmer-Labour may be doing well in the opinion polls now (is that a surprise, looking at the Boris-idiot disaster?) but we all know how volatile polls can be, and how inaccurate, especially a year or two before any general election.
It may well be that, were “Boris” to be dumped, the Conservative Party might recover ground, despite its lack of credible leadership candidates.
Labour’s basic problem remains, as seen in the graphic below, showing voter migration from the 2017 General Election to the 2019 election:
Labour’s problem is not how popular the Conservatives are (they are not, and were not even in 2019), but in how unpopular Labour is, resulting not so much in voters moving to the Conservatives, but in former Labour voters either voting for minor protest parties, or voting tactically for LibDems but, more than either of those options, simply not bothering to vote.
Look at North Shropshire: former Labour voters either voted tactically for the LibDems, or stayed home and/or did not vote for Labour anyway.
A far less significant, but still interesting, election, a local one, has just happened not far from where I myself live:
The Conservative Party vote was previously around 72%, but now has fallen to 18.5%, and a poor third place. Look at Labour’s result, too; a fall from nearly 28% to 4.2%, and (as usual) last place.
A local by-election result of that sort is, at best, a small straw in the wind, but does indicate the disdain in which both main parties are held by the voting public. It looks as if the former Conservative voters mostly voted for the Independent (a local farmer and former Conservative Party county councillor), while the former Labour vote migrated to the Green Party (which was not in the last election). As for the LibDems, they seem to have been unable to find a candidate at all.
It is a matter of speculation to what extent such a local election is affected by national political factors, but I do not think that those national factors can be entirely discounted.
Labour may be favoured in recent national opinion polling, but I am sceptical as to whether it really can pull a rabbit out of the hat and achieve a Commons majority in 2022, 2023, or 2024.
Same direction of travel— a collapse in the Labour vote. True, not directly significant, in that neither seat has ever been won by Labour. However, similar decline elsewhere, in seats where Labour has succeeded in the past, could all but finish Labour as a party of government.
Of course, those who control the System do not care which of the two main System parties wins, because both parties are part of the System.
As always, I believe that a credible social-national movement —and party— could rise up, to all but annihilate the System parties; but, as always, I have to note that no such party presently exists.
A good but arguable point.
Ellwood is a sinister character.
Watched the start of Norwegian crime/drama series, Twin [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_(TV_series)]. Slightly underwhelming; probably not quite my sort of crime drama, and the bleak Norwegian Atlantic winter (I presume) scenery I find depressing.
The oddest aspect of that series is that here we are in some remote part of Norway, and one of the detectives from the local town is an African! I know that Norway, like much of Europe, has seen a massive influx (invasion), but surely this is just grotesque? In fact, there were two more non-Europeans, one an (?) Indian woman, and also a small child whose supposed parents were both Norwegians. Why? How? No explanation offered.
Seems that the Coudenhove-Kalergi propaganda is not confined to UK TV shows…
Saw this by Guardian writer John Crace. Not sure of the date, but it is very good as a summary, obvious though it is:
“…Boris Johnson. If he has a talent, it’s a talent for lying. And while it may have cost him countless relationships and friendships, it has taken him all the way to Downing Street. Put simply, he has become prime minister by lying better than all the other contenders for the job. But now he has run out of road and the lies have caught up with him. He’s the cartoon villain hopelessly spinning his legs before plunging into the abyss. Brexit has failed to deliver any of its promised rewards, and inflation, at more than 5%, is far higher than wage growth. No matter how Boris tries to spin it, people are feeling more broke by the week.” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Crace_(writer)#Views]
Many of the Twitter-twits highly agitato because some Daily Telegraph scribbler has floated the idea of reintroducing “National Service” (I believe that the “Royal Cuck” has mentioned it in the past).
These days, it is considered necessary to train soldiers for six months or more before they are much use in action. Thus, to train millions of young men, only to release them from their obligation a year or 18 months later, is very wasteful.
Secondly, the pushback from those unwillingly recruited, then demobbed, may have been one fact fuelling the decadence of the 1960s.
Thirdly, Britain, even in the 1950s, had both an empire, albeit one being dismantled, and an enemy (the Warsaw Pact bloc, or SovBloc) which also had huge numbers of men under arms and was thought to pose a credible invasion threat to all of Western Europe.
You cannot compare the 1950s to today. It follows that, as things stand, I should not like to see National Service reintroduced. Actually, I very nearly had to do the Australian equivalent, having lived there from 1967, aged 10, to late 1969, aged 13. The SEATO Treaty then in force meant that Australian (and New Zealand) forces were fighting in Vietnam on the American side. At age 18, from late 1974, I would have been subject, possibly, to conscription, but as things turned out, my family returned to the UK before the end of 1969, and in any case Australian forces in Vietnam were slowly reduced from 1970; the last few “advisers” left Vietnam in 1974: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia_during_the_Vietnam_War.
It makes me laugh, though, to see the Twitter-twits attacking Britain in the 1950s. They all seem to have three points, which might be summarized as “blacks were badly treated”, “gays were badly treated”, and “food was terrible” (because of rationing, in part).
In fact, while gay activities were unlawful, it seems that the laws were not heavy-handedly enforced; some areas (eg Soho, in London) were notorious for such activity.
As to blacks, well despite what present-day msm propaganda (eg in dramas such as Grantchester etc) portrays, there were almost no blacks (or browns) in England then, with the exception of a few ports and a few parts of London. The Empire Windrush had scarcely disembarked its passengers, and they had only just started to breed.
I myself can only remember seeing one black person in the UK before 1969, and that was an NHS consultant (ENT) at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading, circa 1962.
Other aspects of life in the 1950s compare badly to life today: the lack of central heating in most houses would be one such. On the other hand, the UK population was about 55 million, compared to maybe 70 million today. The countryside was uncrowded and had hugely more wildlife (overall) than now, there was incomparably less crime (especially violent crime) in the UK, society was more stable, less volatile, and children could generally wander safely around the countryside (as I did, though a few years later, in the early/mid 1960s, both on foot and bicycle, the number of cars being only a fraction of the number filling the roads of England today). There were very few non-Europeans around.
Either way, it hardly matters now; “we are where we are“…